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September 12, 2024 • 0min
#443 – Gregory Aldrete: The Roman Empire – Rise and Fall of Ancient Rome
Lex Fridman Podcast
Gregory Aldrete is a historian specializing in ancient Rome and military history. In this wide-ranging conversation, he discusses key aspects of Roman civilization and its lasting impact on the modern world. The discussion covers the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, important figures like Julius Caesar and Augustus, Roman law and slavery, the spread of Christianity, and the challenges of studying and interpreting ancient history.
#443 – Gregory Aldrete: The Roman Empire – Rise and Fall of Ancient Rome
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Key Takeaways
- The ancient world was fundamentally different from today in terms of childhood mortality, life expectancy, and relationship with the past. Up to 40% of children died before puberty, and people had a much deeper connection to their ancestors and traditions.
- Rome's success in expanding its empire came from its ability to integrate conquered peoples by granting citizenship and incorporating them into the Roman military and culture. This provided Rome with seemingly limitless manpower.
- The transition from Roman Republic to Empire was driven by internal strife and ambitious individuals like Julius Caesar who undermined republican institutions for personal power. Augustus ultimately established the imperial system through clever propaganda and maintaining republican appearances.
- Roman law was highly sophisticated and influential, forming the basis for many modern legal systems. It dealt with complex hypothetical scenarios and real-life cases in great detail.
- Slavery was widespread in the Roman world but different from later racial slavery. It was an economic status that people could move in and out of. Many slaves held skilled positions.
- Christianity gradually spread through the empire, appealing to marginalized groups before eventually being adopted by emperors for political reasons in the 4th century AD.
- The "fall" of the Western Roman Empire was a gradual process involving many factors like internal instability, economic issues, and pressure from outside groups. The Eastern Empire continued for another 1000 years.
- Studying history requires careful interpretation of limited sources and awareness of biases, but can provide valuable insights into human nature and society.
Introduction
Gregory Aldrete is a historian specializing in ancient Rome and military history. In this wide-ranging conversation, he discusses key aspects of Roman civilization and its lasting impact on the modern world. The discussion covers the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, important figures like Julius Caesar and Augustus, Roman law and slavery, the spread of Christianity, and the challenges of studying and interpreting ancient history.
Topics Discussed
Differences Between Ancient and Modern Worlds (8:38)
Aldrete highlights some key differences between the ancient world and today:
- Much higher childhood mortality rates - up to 40% of children died before puberty
- Lower life expectancy, especially for women due to childbirth risks
- Deeper connection to ancestors and the past - Romans were "obsessed" with their family history
- Vast majority (80-90%) were small-scale farmers with limited travel or exposure to wider events
However, he notes that human nature and emotions seem to have remained largely constant, based on personal accounts from ancient sources.
Rome's Expansion and Integration of Conquered Peoples (25:24)
Aldrete explains that a key to Rome's successful expansion was its ability to integrate conquered peoples:
- Granting citizenship or partial citizenship rights to conquered Italians
- Incorporating conquered peoples into the Roman military
- This provided Rome with seemingly limitless manpower to keep fighting wars
- Later in the empire, even "barbarians" were integrated into Roman society and military
He gives the example of Rome's victory over Pyrrhus, who said fighting Rome was "like fighting a hydra" because they kept raising new armies.
The Punic Wars and Rise of Rome (37:04)
The Punic Wars against Carthage were a pivotal moment in Rome's rise to dominance:
- Second Punic War featured the brilliant Carthaginian general Hannibal invading Italy
- Despite major victories, Hannibal was ultimately defeated by Scipio
- This conflict was Rome's "crucible" - after surviving it, they became the dominant Mediterranean power
- Rome then easily defeated the Greek kingdoms in the eastern Mediterranean
Roman Law and Legal System (1:12:49)
Aldrete discusses the sophistication and lasting influence of Roman law:
- Started with basic agricultural laws in the Twelve Tables
- Developed into a complex system dealing with hypothetical scenarios
- Many modern legal terms and concepts derive from Roman law
- About 90% of the world's legal systems are based on Roman law
- Romans were very methodical and organized in developing their laws
Slavery in the Roman World (1:22:29)
Slavery was widespread but different from later racial slavery:
- It was an economic status, not tied to race or ethnicity
- People could move in and out of slavery
- Many slaves held skilled positions as doctors, teachers, etc.
- Still fundamentally dehumanizing, viewing people as property
- Main sources were war captives and children born to slaves
Fall of the Roman Republic (1:30:09)
The transition from Republic to Empire was driven by internal strife:
- Rome's rapid expansion led to resentment among various groups
- Ambitious individuals like Marius, Sulla, and Caesar undermined republican institutions
- Civil wars erupted as rival generals fought for power
- Julius Caesar became dictator for life but was assassinated
- Octavian (Augustus) ultimately established the imperial system
Augustus and the Establishment of the Empire (1:56:47)
Augustus cleverly established imperial rule while maintaining republican appearances:
- Avoided Caesar's mistakes like openly acting like a king
- Lived modestly and respected the Senate
- Took on powers of republican offices without the actual titles
- Used ambiguous titles like Princeps ("First Citizen")
- Brought stability after decades of civil war
Spread of Christianity in the Roman Empire (2:24:57)
Christianity gradually spread through the empire:
- Initially a fringe "mystery religion" among many others
- Appealed to marginalized groups like women and slaves
- Offered hope of afterlife and equality before God
- Early Christians known for charity and good works
- Emperor Constantine's conversion in 4th century AD was a major turning point
- Later became official religion under Theodosius I
Fall of the Western Roman Empire (3:05:29)
The "fall" of the Western Empire was a gradual process with many proposed causes:
- No clear single date - 476 AD often used but arbitrary
- Factors included internal instability, economic issues, plague, climate change
- Pressure from outside groups ("barbarians") was a factor but not sole cause
- Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) continued for another 1000 years
Challenges of Studying Ancient History (3:38:01)
Aldrete discusses some key challenges in interpreting ancient history:
- Limited and biased sources - mostly written by elite males
- Texts copied many times, introducing potential errors
- Difficulty interpreting archaeological evidence without written context
- Historians must be aware of their own biases and cultural assumptions
- Constant re-evaluation as new evidence emerges
Conclusion
Aldrete emphasizes the importance of studying history to understand both the past and present. While interpretation requires caution, examining ancient societies can provide valuable insights into human nature and social dynamics. He expresses hope that future generations will be able to learn from both the noble and shameful aspects of our current civilization, continuing humanity's accumulation of knowledge driven by curiosity.